Owned by Harry Knop in the 40s. Galbraith shop opposite Elderpark, they sold us kids a bag of broken biscuits. Nostalgic 3w Siobhan McCrone Joseph McCrone Going down the pyramids on a bread crate all good till ur fingers caught underneath 7 4w 1 Reply I remember two days before we left in 1963, I took her to the Govan Fair, and that was the last one I ever saw. Would love to get in touch with any old pals for the era 1965-1976. I was wondering if anyone had any information on the McSherry family? Somewhere, communication had broken down so completely, that while the latter felt powerless to do anything about the situation, the remedies of the former only made the situation worse. I remember that when he told me that he had studied at university and that what he was now doing was his job I laughed at his education and his job. One of his best customers was a former police officer who had been thrown out the force due to his heroin addiction. I was born at 17 Holmfaulhead Drive, Linthouse in 1947 and went to Elderpark School. Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! With five suspected drug dealers in the cells and 200,000 worth of heroin seized, it had been a very productive day for the police. [11], By the 16th century, extensive coal mine workings had been developed around Craigton and Drumoyne. We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. My Mother took me to the Southern and a giant black man came in. Second, it encourage prospects for social inclusion by impioving living conditions and life changes while a third (indirect) factor is that, by working with authority, it can augment the personal development and enhanced confidence that participation can bring.9 Does anyone remember Reid the baker who was in Neptune Street around about the 1950s? There mother sold her house to get them season tickets to basketball games before they met their baby daddies. A friend called Carol Slater. 81 Albums for you to enjoy : Bellahouston Academy School Photo's St Saviour's Primary School Photo's Lourdes Primary School Photo's St Gerards School. My sisters were Elaine & Brenda and my brother was George. Sources Used go there for coffee and listen to juke box. 9 Goodlad, and Meegan, 2005, p. 188, Community Power in Community Planning From Rushden we came back to Larbert, then to Lauder. The planning process commonly involves the juggling of conflicting interests in such a fashion that it is agreeable to all interested parties at least, no one side has to sacrifice itself unjustly. [7] It is now kept inside the church, as part of the Govan Stones museum collection. In fact, within only two years of the first tenants moving into their 7-storey deck-access blocks (in 1972); they had begun to complain about severe dampness, condensation, and water penetration. James and Catherine moved to Govan from Ireland and lived on Victoria (Neptune) Street and Langlands Road. They were followed there and back by a second surveillance team and the vehicle stopped near Ibrox. The evidence they gathered was crucial and the jury was able to see the gang operating on the video footage shown to them. pigella miraculous ladybug power. Govan was then one of 15 police divisions in the former Strathclyde Police and accounted for 20% of all homicides in the force. We love it here, but still go back to Scotland every other year. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. Memories of our workers are Nancy, Margret-Anne and various others, oh and not forgetting Speedy. Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. Little did we no that years later I would be living above that very shop. sau. Loving your stories, my nana was born at 15 Elder Street, Govan in 1893. Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. Eventually, my dad arrived asking if anyone had handed in a wee lassie. I didn't open my mouth, I was sure I was going to jail. The scheme was codenamed Operation Buckfast after a brand of tonic wine popular in the area. The main point of the Presentation was that, in an area which had lost 80% of its population (between 1951 and 2001), the re-zoning of demolished housing areas for warehousing and offices meant that there was less chance of people coming back into the area to live, as houses were needed in these areas and not anonymous commercial barns and offices. I've been back to visit my relatives several times, but the old places are gone. We had 4 Cinemas that we could go to and the swimming baths and all the dykes round the back to jump and all the different games we played outdoors until the street lights went on and Dad shouted out the window it was time to come up the stairs. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. Not Now. ; Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. He was able to give police precise details of the drug operation Burnside was running and the names of his associates. We were also in the Choir at Govan Parish church and in the B.B. I don't like to think what might have happened if they had been discovered.''. My sister and I were born the year before the second world war at Montrose nursing home in Govan. I remember one time, my big brother hiding in the midden under all the ashes, when I went down three stories to empty the fire ashes. The second outcome was a general agreement among officials to stop using the abusive term of Wine Alley as this served only to reproduce the stigma of the scheme. I used to walk up Neptune Street between the two grandparents homes, but even that seems to have been cut off. In the Wine Alley, I loved the people more than anything. or. It occurs in the buyers market where access to housing is based on the ability to pay, and it also takes place in the council allocation system where the disadvantaged are lumped together in sink housing schemes. If his western city is invariably "smoky" and even hellish in aspect, throughout his poem "Edinburgh" the Scottish capital is glimpsed "high in . The Old Govan Fair. I lived in Elderpark Street and the Wine Alley. I noticed a post by Murray G. Wondering if we might be related at all? We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing ball against the red brick wall for hours. Smith did know Glasgow well, but Edinburgh (where he later worked as Secretary to the University) was gloriously exotic. Govan is served by Govan Subway Station, Ibrox Subway Station and Cessnock Subway Station on the Glasgow subway system. However, as soon as Bishop Loch got permission to build, they immediately decided to cancel the hotel, and double the amount of private houses to a 1,000. There is absolutely no hiding from the fact that no Section 30 is the bullying action of a . The people of Govan didn't often use a vet, but came into the shop with their poorly pets and we all fussed over them, cuddled them, nursed them and Jackie recommended and administered patent pet medicines like Bob Martins. Hullo! My cousins and I thought we should try this. Naw, he was told, but we have a wee boy in the back. The local hire firm in Govan wasn't aware that their customer was a drug dealer. Great memories of Summertown Road baths. Hi, I'm not from Govan though my grandparents, Janet (Nettie) and David Finlayson owned a newsagents in Neptune Street in the 1940s/1950s. It was a real shame to junk those old tenements instead of refurbishing them. Wine Alley Govan Kids Southern General Hospital On the Clyde Govan Kvaerner/Fairfield Shipyards Govan Shipyards ( Front gate pics ) The Plaza/Vogue Govan Dry Docks Trams in Govan/ Goods Carriers Inside the Lyceum Bingo/Picture Hall Lyceum Projection Room Lyceum Foyer & Balcony Foyer Lyceum Cinema Balcony Inside The Lyceum Govan Baths Harhill The City of Woodinville's Mayor Mike Millan cut the ribbon to mark the occasion. People lived with the inconsistency in the records. I went to Harmony Row school and below is my class photograph from around 1957, I have given the names as far as I remember starting at the back row left. I would like to know if anyone remembers these times. Govan was a wonderful place to start on life's trails. I would so love to hear from you if you do. Does anybody recognise the name? My mum's brother Spinx (George Hewitt) stayed in Teucharhill and my dad's brother Alex Rodgers drove a milk float. Komunitn organizcia. This was around 1954ish. Today the area is policed from bright new shiny offices opposite Bellahouston Park on Helen Street. Saturday afternoons were for the matinees at one of the four movie halls; Lyceum, Plaza, Elder and Vogue. Our first daughter was born in 1962, and then when she was six months old, we went to Toronto, Canada. We all loved living there as Govan was such a great place and had everything you needed, especially four cinemas. Moorepark was demolished and converted into an industrial estate in the 1990s, along with a nearby contemporary development at Teucharhill which had a similar tough reputation. Went to Drumoyne primary then Govan High. Jack, Margaret, Frank, Gerry, May, Charlie and Kathleen, Annie Maguire's 7 children. Following the five convictions, the man who led the investigation, detective superintendent Joe Jackson, received several letters from grateful Wine Alley residents. Alley & Vine will be ready for outdoor and indoor dining once allowed, but until then, customers can order online or by phone for takeout and curbside pickup. Verejnoprospen prce. History [ edit] Does anyone remember the shop or have a picture of it in the background? Darners later thoughts on a solution to the schemes problems were that it could be found in Community Planning for, as he says, members of the underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances. I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. Somewhere along the Govan Road, there was a sweet shop with a train set that would go around all the big jars of sweets. You can make a complaint by using the report this post link . Another is the horses and carts assembled at Harmony Row. In the early medieval period, the site of the present Govan Old churchyard was established as a Christian centre for the Brittonic Kingdom of Alt Clut (Dumbarton Rock) and its successor realm, the Kingdom of Strathclyde. Glorious Govan. As for Billie Cameron, she now lives in Montreal, her sister Isa was a war bride and came to Canada in 1948 to be with her Canadian husband and lives north of Toronto in Collingwood. Burnside, 42, known as the Godfather, lived on the top-floor flat of his tenement. He and his pals jumped out and I ran back up three stories screaming. Clyde News. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. Got in with the wrong crowd in Wine Alley,Govan, Glasgow,(Rab C Nesbitt Country) usual stuff to start with theft,housebreakings(Burglary to those from England), theft of and from motor vehicles, local gang wars etc, then got into some serious crime such as armed robbery, Gun running between Stranraer to Belfast, serious assaults(GBH), . Jimmy's was our local shop and Ruby's was out local bakery which fed the Fairfield's workers. Govan was thriving in those days. This settlement was set aside on 20 December 1621, and only the patronage of Govan was left to the University. 3 Smith, 1999, p. 40-41 the 550 tenancies available, only 33 (16%) were identifiably from Govan itself. The idea behind the hotel was to employ local people and to draw in money to the area. Police Scotland. During the two-week surveillance every addict who called at Burnside's flat for drugs was then arrested by the team and questioned. on our backs to the midden motor outside the closes or houses where we worked. My grandparents lived opposite and I remember being sent down to McGunness for an ounce of tobacco for my grand dads pipe. I spent a lot of time at my granny's while growing up I remember we used to get payed for watching the cars when there was a game on at Ibrox. Get directions. The authorities plan for the scheme started going wrong when they decided (without consulting the locals who lived in Govan) to house it mainly with outsiders or people who came from areas other than Govan. [6] Govan is believed to have then been part of a kingdom ruled from Dumbarton Rock, known as Alt Clut, the rock on the Clyde. As a university sociologist, He stayed in Nethen Street and was born in 1931. Great times. I married in Glasgow, Scotland in 1974 and emigrated to Canada that same year, I have lived in Canada ever since. [27], In 1971, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders went into receivership and the Conservative government led by Edward Heath refused to give them a 6,000,000 loan. I attended Harmony Row School and Hills Trust Primary. We went this year to the Fairfield shipyard museum which was very interesting. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie St until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. Now home to a business park, the Wineywas a working class scheme designed by urban planners with little to no regard for those cut from the labouring class cloth. It was like growing up in a wasteland! I was born in Govan in 1941. So, at the age of 46 I started three years of studies with projects that involved Govan Initiative and Glasgow University until I was finally accepted as a full-time student at Glasgow. This facilitated the development of shipbuilding as a major industry. He said: "So I had a house and I had a supply, because I knew someone who could get me smack. Further, that by becoming involved in social, political, and economic activities, the community of any area can organise itself in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power is real. Govan railway station opened on 2 December 1868. My dad was taken in to see the wee boy, turns out it was me. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council \"modernised\" it and tried to reintroduce the original name Moorepark but after 40 years of being the Wine Alley most people forgot about or even knew that the Wine Ally was originally called Moorepark and did not approve of the name Moorepark and continued to call it Wine Alley. First, if the government are to tackle inequality and the centring of disadvantaged groups, then they will have to understand that it is the housing system itself that creates it. Readers comments: You are personally liable for the content of any comments you upload to this website, so please act responsibly. It was fantastic we even had a large grass area to play such a great childhood. Also, among the plans for Govans hub was a programme to make Govans main shopping area more attractive such as joining Govans Market, Shopping Centre, Underground and bus depot together under the one roof. Delete. Next thing, I found myself lying on the ground. It brought tears to our eyes as they have destroyed a lot of the buildings that should have been refurbished. Servicii comunitare. Conecteaz-te. [23], It was parodied by the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt. This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. I was so focussed what was in front of me, I never looked behind me and I disappeared over the edge. he had come to live in Wine Alley to see for himself why it seemed to be such a horrible place to outsiders. I would like to hear from anybody who knew any of us up until 1981 when my mum and dad left Ibrox to move to Craigton. I have many happy memories of Govan. I was the smallest and skinniest one there, there were about 10 of us up on the dyke, they're all shouting at me, so I shouts I'm just gettting ready. From 1815 onwards, a total of 67 men and four women were hanged at the Glasgow Green site, which was once known as Jail Square. The following year, Fairfields and the other major Clydeside yards (Stephens, Connels, Yarrows and John Browns) were merged to form Upper Clyde Shipbuilders (UCS). I'm thinking I never whined at them again. When they checked the mileage they realise it was being used for much longer trips of up to 600 miles a time. Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. Gallery. Community planning began in the rapidly industrialising 19th century cities of Great Britain and America where reformers and well-wishers wanted to ameliorate the appalling living conditions of the working classes. [12], There is an oddity whereby part of eighteenth-century parish of Govan (which was in Lanarkshire) is counted as being within Renfrewshire. Lesbian actress Raven-Symone showed off her high top fade and her unique backpack at the Los Angeles Premiere of Fox's 'Empire at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome in Hollywood, California. In his 2008 memoir Chasing Killers he reflected on his time on the Southside. During fortnight surveillance in February 1989, they discovered that the same gang member had hired his biggest car yet. Then the area - close to Rangers home at Ibrox - had a reputation for deprivation and poverty having been built in the 1930s to relieve overcrowding in the Gorbals. Wine Alley by Colin Quigley. He lived on Govan Road. An isolated island of cheap building land, Glasgow Corporation bought the Moorepark land and in 1934 built the Moorepark Housing Estate, a typical Glasgow rehousing scheme of three-storey grey concrete-block tenements. Other Sundays maybe Helen and I would visit the graves of our mothers at Cardonald Cemetery (her mother died when she was 5). I went to St. Anthony's Primary School and after passing my quallies I went to St. Gerard's. [34], Alexander Stephen and Sons also established a shipyard in nearby Linthouse in 1870. My earliest memory is when I was about 4 playing outside our close 39 Nethan St, my mum had got me all dressed up as the photographer was coming to take our photo , me and my 2 sisters sitting on the sideboard I wandered out the house with my new truck with wee soldiers in the back and was playing in a puddle when the photographer arrived and had to get all cleaned up again before the photo was taken, I have FTD (dementia) this affects my short term memory but fortunately not my long term memories, I have cousins who still stay around the wine alley. Although we were all poor, I knew that I could go to any door, ask for a piece, and get it. My mother Josaphine Devlin and her brother Greg were born Drumoyan Street Govan. I really like the big Co-op department store and Woolworths on Langlands Road. Their children's names were John, Michael, Christopher, Bridget and Edward. Furthermore, although the new regeneration programme mentions housing quality and physical improvements as valid points in deprived locals, they are still regarded as unessential to regeneration. [10][11], The area was associated with Junior football team St Anthony's who had two grounds in the area. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Ai uitat contul? I recall going to the Co-op hypermarket on a Saturday morning for messages. We left Govan when I was two, then lived for five years in Markinch before moving on to Kelty, Cowdenbeath, Armadale, and Rushden down in England. I remember Betty McPhee, Margaret Liversidge, the Gourlay brothers and Brian Wilson.We lived in the top floor for a few years and the moved to bigger flat on first floor with a bathroom. Second, two documents from the Social Exclusion Unit (SEU), which focus on the decline of the urban neighbourhood, argue that the decline almost always starts with a lack of work. On the 21/6/2005 the plans for the future of Govans Central area were publicly revealed showing that housing and concern for unemployment was high on its agenda. @AlanJParks" I too, have fond memories of playing and performing small shows, and we all thought we could act. Does anyone remember going out the back courts and jumping over them? Non-governmental organisations working in the field such as the Church, charitable organisations, etc., have for a long time advocated Community Planning or management of the urban environment as the best solution to this problem of how to give a better quality of life to many of the citizens of our country. Although the scheme had a bad reputation for crime, drinking and violence, as a child I never felt unsafe or deprived in any way and knew only kindness from my family, friends, relatives and neighbours. It is now an industrial estate . Town officials arranged for the deepening of the Clyde in 1759, the reclamation of the channels between the islands (The Whyte Inch, The Black Inch, and The King's Inch), and the construction of quays and docks. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. However, the dealers were less careful back in Wine Alley where they thought they were untouchable. [8] Govan is Baile a' Ghobhainn (the smith's town) in Scottish Gaelic. The police discovered an empty flat on the eighth floor which would give them a birds eye view of the entrance to Burnsides tenement flat close. The wine in the Wine Alley nickname was not expensive red and whites like Beaujolais and merlot. Thanks in advance :). I was born in Govan in 1950 at 10 Pearce Street across from the P.I., there was only one close in Pearce Street. When I got married I moved to Arden, I now live in Clarkston in the South of Glasgow. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, textile mills and coal mining were important; in the early-nineteenth century, shipbuilding emerged as Govan's principal industry.
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